September 16, 2008

Sarah Paluxy man tracks

Here's an entertaining profile at Salon.com of one Howard Bess, a retired Baptist minister from the Mat-Su Valley of Alaska and author of a book called Pastor, I Am Gay. Of note:
I pushed [Sarah Palin] on the earth's creation, whether it was really less than 7,000 years old and whether dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time. And she said yes, she'd seen images somewhere of dinosaur fossils with human footprints in them.
Yes, we've all seen them. They're a fraud. So much of a fraud that only the wildest of young earth creationists even mention them.

19 comments:

Thomas Joseph said...

Yes, because Bess himself isn't a wackaloon?

He said/she said. Still not impressed with most of the "dirt" the left is bringing up against Palin.

And if some of the haters keep doing stuff like this, I may vote for McCain/Palin just to tell the left to go fuck themselves for not distancing themselves well enough away from such assholes.

illusory tenant said...

That link is broken, and I'm not going to fix it. But I don't see why anybody has any obligation to distance themselves from every foul crevice in the internet. I wouldn't even have known about that one if you hadn't posted it here.

Thomas Joseph said...

Whether the internet, print, television, radio ... doesn't matter. People know this crap is out there, if not specifically, they've heard about such things. I have never seen shit so disgusting in politics as that directed at Saran Palin and her family.

You know, perhaps McCain really did know what he was doing. He floated Sarah Palin out there knowing that people who attack her and her family, not just pointing out what seemed like inconsistencies in what she preaches and what is actually practiced, but a full-out vitriolic attack on her as a person ... some going so far as to imply she's not even a woman (i.e., you're not a woman to some feminists if you don't toe their line).

If this is the case, it's a stroke of genius for McCain. Perhaps the only thing that could defeat the Dems in 2008 was the Dems themselves.

illusory tenant said...

I don't know what you're reading. I see more attention paid to the inconsistencies, and they are numerous.

Perhaps you're right about McCain's selection strategy. But I think the bloom on the rose is beginning to fade.

Other Side said...

I don't agree with Mr. Thomas that "the disgusting shit" directed at Sarah Palin has been the most egregious. I would respectfully ask where he has been the past two years to not have seen the even more disgusting shit directed at Barack Obama.

I'm not suggesting that tit-for-tat is an acceptable political discourse method, but McCain brought this on himself.

Thomas Joseph said...

I seem to recall racial issues being brought up more than a couple of times in the Democratic primary (which has dominated the better portion of the last couple of years). How are those instances the fault of the Republican Party?

Here is what I believe: If Obama loses, the Democratic Party will lay the loss at the feet of racism. It's an easy way to explain/justify the situation. It may be true in some cases, in other cases it may not be ... and I don't for one second believe that racists (and sexists for that matter) exist in only one of the parties. Regardless though, this election is going to put the United States back more than just a few years. Blame Bush if you must, but there have been millions of people who have voted and in the interim we've made what appears to be (as far as I can tell) no significant progress in "growing up" on either side of the political spectrum.

Clutch said...

And if some of the haters keep doing stuff like this, I may vote for McCain/Palin just to tell the left to go fuck themselves for not distancing themselves well enough away from such assholes.

Because, whatever's in that link, it must be way worse than the halfwits calling Obama a nigger or a monkey -- from whom I've heard absolutely nothing from McCain specifically "distancing himself"...

In short, it's an absurd threat, TJ, based on reasoning that collapses the second you think about applying it equally.

Thomas Joseph said...

No Clutch, I deplore the "curious george/Obama t-shirts", and yes ... you could place it on a level as the "downs syndrome trig palin blog'. One need only to go to the Daily Kos for example, a Democratic Party house organ, which continuously prints all manner of stupid shit about Palin and her family ... despite Obama's singular plea to just leave them be. Perhaps for some, that suffices. He covered his bases, time to move on.

Am I looking in the wrong places Clutch? Are there Republican house organs touting the monkey and nigger lines, or is it a racist, fuckwit, bar owner from Georgia who must be Republican because ... well, he just has to be?

Emily said...

Simmer down there, Tom. What the hell are you on about? There are racists and sexists and all-around jerks on all sides of the political spectrum, and to blame one candidate for every single nasty thing that comes out of the deepest, darkest corners of their support base is absolutely ridiculous.

Obama spoke out about how he wanted the press to lay off Palin's family, and he, at least, has done just that by not addressing it again. Bringing it up over and over would just be playing into the circus.

Seriously, it's like you're so hell-bent on your opinion that you've cemented your eyes shut, plugged your ears, and begun singing "lalalalala!" at the top of your lungs.

Thomas Joseph said...

Yes Emily, it's lalalala obvious that this is exactly what I'm ... lalalala ... doing.

Clutch said...

TJ, because this is a matter of comparison, you have to actually get the comparisons right. Daily Kos, besides not actually being a Democratic house-party organ*, is also not printing the sort of thing you initially tried to link to. In fact, my search of the site showed very little of *any* kind of "stupid shit" about "her family" over the past ten days at least.

But what counts as "stupid shit" about Palin herself anyhow? Evidence of hypocrisy? Evidence of lousy judgement? Evidence that she tends to blur the line between her personal life/vendettas/fixations and her professional life/executive powers? Some of that seems to be relevant; none of it would be remotely comparable to the grounds you first gave for threatening to vote McCain.


* Or accordion. Or whatever.

John Foust said...

Everyone's going bananas because they're trying to vet a VP inside of sixty days. Yes, we need to ask her all sorts of questions. We can start with the serious ones and leave her family alone, if you like. McCain could croak six months from now and we'd have President Palin. Until she exposes herself, her views and opinions to the press, we'll never quite know if she thinks barefoot humans ran alongside therapods, will we?

Thomas Joseph said...

Clutch, so I guess you missed the diarist who claimed Sarah Palin didn't really have Trig, but instead claimed him for her own after he was given birth to by her daughter?

I guess that doesn't qualify as stupid shit about her family?

Clutch said...

TJ, do you think one article from two weeks ago means I was mistaken when I said very little within the last ten days? Come on. You know you're manufacturing this. Of course that one entry made a big stink; it's the thing everyone talked about from DK for days on end; but you talked about how this stuff is still happening on DK even after Obama asked people to lay off her family. Is it still happening? I can't find any evidence to support your assertions, and if that's the best you can do, neither can you.

Thomas Joseph said...

Clutch: your example was even further back, happening during the Democratic primary over fourth months ago.

Clutch said...

your example was even further back, happening during the Democratic primary over fourth months ago.

It was? Umm, I think you'll find that was your particular example. I had in mind the sort of crap that can easily be found all over the internet. (Google away; I'm no more eager than iT to link to raging assholes.)

So then... after all. About the idea that there's something asymmetric about vicious campaign crap that would make it reasonable to vote for McCain just to teach a lesson: it's an absurd threat, based on reasoning that collapses the second you think about applying it equally.

Thomas Joseph said...

About the idea that there's something asymmetric about vicious campaign crap ...

Your example was from 4 months ago, during the primaries, by some assholish fool of unknown political persuasion. My example was from a couple of weeks ago, during the election period, on a famous majorly-left-leaning site.

Clutch said...

Your example was from 4 months ago

Okay. If you can't, you can't.

Thomas Joseph said...

So you can't see the differences between the two examples, or you merely don't want to?