tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post8176671139814331404..comments2023-10-28T08:02:44.565-05:00Comments on illusory tenant: Ann Althouse, like Justice Prosser, sniffs a turdillusory tenanthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08524761974822871419noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-13492796366475019362011-08-30T12:14:32.558-05:002011-08-30T12:14:32.558-05:00After you get all the arm angles straighten out, m...After you get all the arm angles straighten out, mr. tenant, when you get a chance - report to us on what your dictionary says about the terms "seized" and "put around" will you? <br /><br />Thanks in advance.Meadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00117933390338651739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-74700671644411596902011-08-30T11:40:49.107-05:002011-08-30T11:40:49.107-05:00"Forearms parallel to the ground, elbows bent...<i>"Forearms parallel to the ground, elbows bent 90º" implies nothing about the position of the upper arms, since the elbows can be flared outwards.</i> <br /><br />One more time:<br /><br />"Justice Prosser said ... his upper arms were down and parallel to his body ... " -- p. 40 of 70illusory tenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524761974822871419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-67464207735060025812011-08-29T04:46:25.791-05:002011-08-29T04:46:25.791-05:00is Prosser a giant or is Bradley a midget? .
&quo...<i>is Prosser a giant or is Bradley a midget? </i>.<br /><br />"Forearms parallel to the ground, elbows bent 90º" implies nothing about the position of the upper arms, since the elbows can be flared outwards. (You are apparently thinking upper arms must be at the sides, pointing at the ground.)<br />I can get my hands above my head with FPTTG,EB90º.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-72473868125756699642011-08-27T16:09:15.534-05:002011-08-27T16:09:15.534-05:00You fight with the strength of many men, Sir Illus...You fight with the strength of many men, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno" rel="nofollow">Sir Illusory Tenant.</a>Meadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00117933390338651739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-46526905577289610122011-08-27T14:23:26.537-05:002011-08-27T14:23:26.537-05:00See 2:14 PM. Or Page 40. Or pp. 1-70. And it's...See 2:14 PM. Or Page 40. Or pp. 1-70. And it's "hands."illusory tenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524761974822871419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-77531893133238226162011-08-27T14:19:32.874-05:002011-08-27T14:19:32.874-05:00I'll rephrase.
his elbows were bent at a 90 d...I'll rephrase.<br /><br /><i>his elbows were bent at a 90 degree angle so that his forearms were parallel to the ground and his hands were partially extended outwards</i><br /><br />I'm a bit confused. Is this supposed to explain how his hand (and/or hands) touched her neck? (If so, is Prosser a giant or is Bradley a midget? Hmm... or perhaps both?)Joannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04459252195898372564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-83121683287926069882011-08-27T14:14:02.756-05:002011-08-27T14:14:02.756-05:00No, it's evidence of "how his hands came ...No, it's evidence of "how his hands came to touch her neck," which is what Prosser was asked to describe.illusory tenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524761974822871419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-55920017911293857782011-08-27T14:11:44.446-05:002011-08-27T14:11:44.446-05:00his elbows were bent at a 90 degree angle so that ...<i> his elbows were bent at a 90 degree angle so that his forearms were parallel to the ground and his hands were partially extended outwards</i><br /><br />I'm a bit confused. Is this supposed to be evidence of choking? (If so, is Prosser a giant or is Bradley a midget? Hmm... or perhaps both?)Joannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04459252195898372564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-6632697986181526912011-08-27T14:07:34.134-05:002011-08-27T14:07:34.134-05:00I see. Then thanks for affirming that your obtusen...I see. Then thanks for affirming that your obtuseness is deliberate and that "trolling" is the appropriate characterization of your activities. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKG07305CBs" rel="nofollow">Good day sir!</a>illusory tenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524761974822871419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-74679200678064345462011-08-27T13:59:11.733-05:002011-08-27T13:59:11.733-05:00Every word, buddy.Every word, buddy.Meadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00117933390338651739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-7596661516102674152011-08-27T13:51:37.951-05:002011-08-27T13:51:37.951-05:00"We asked Justice Prosser to describe how his..."We asked Justice Prosser to describe how his hands came to touch her neck. Justice Prosser said while he was making the comment to the Chief Justice about having lost confidence in her leadership, his upper arms were down and parallel to his body, but his elbows were bent at a 90 degree angle so that his forearms were parallel to the ground and his hands were partially extended outwards. Justice Prosser said he told this same story to Chief Tubbs and Margaret Brady." - Page 40 of 70.<br /><br />Seriously, "pal," have you even <i>read</i> <a href="http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/host.madison.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/c3/4c314d8a-cff8-11e0-b72d-001cc4c03286/4e57bc07d217d.pdf.pdf" rel="nofollow">this thing</a>?illusory tenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524761974822871419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-44780560103027687962011-08-27T13:39:55.949-05:002011-08-27T13:39:55.949-05:00"(again, plural: two hands, one opposite the ..."(again, plural: two hands, one opposite the other, not two hands on the same side of the neck, as far as I can tell)."<br /><br />As far as you can tell, illusory tenant, one hand was not, in fact, opposite the other.<br /><br />Keep kicking at that overinflated imaginary ball of yours, pal. The goalposts are right there. And if your legs get tired, maybe think about releasing some heart-shaped red balloons. Just to, you know, keep your spirits up.Meadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00117933390338651739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-4730420872990409102011-08-27T11:46:04.604-05:002011-08-27T11:46:04.604-05:00"Bill Lueders ... broke the story Wisconsin S..."Bill Lueders ... broke the story Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser allegedly seized a colleague, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley, by the neck with both hands," is what I posted. Please note the attribution. Lueders used -- and uses, contrary to your claim of "altering" his story -- the word "grabbed." Grabbed and seized are effectively synonyms. <br /><br />Justice Prosser says he "suddenly" found his hands (plural) "on a woman's neck," and remembered "feeling the warmth on the side of Justice Bradley's neck in his hands" (again, plural: two hands, one opposite the other, not two hands on the same side of the neck, as far as I can tell).<br /><br />What are you contending, Meade, that Justice Prosser placed his hands around Justice Bradley's neck carefully and gingerly? Because that is certainly not what the collection of testimony gathered by the Dane County Sheriff's Office indicates. Unless you have some hitherto unknown or uncollected testimony you'd like to share.illusory tenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524761974822871419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-61756956761733539182011-08-27T11:26:45.933-05:002011-08-27T11:26:45.933-05:00On June 27 you posted, "[...]the story Wiscon...On June 27 you posted, "[...]the story Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser allegedly <b>seized</b> a colleague, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley, <b>by the neck with both hands</b>[...]"<br /><br />Your comment above alters the allegation to "Justice Prosser <b>put his hands around Justice Bradley's neck</b>."<br /><br />As I noted, slick.<br /><br />The goalposts have remained exactly in place. The only things moving have been your ineffectual kicks at an overinflated imaginary ball.Meadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00117933390338651739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-19528667750133326222011-08-27T10:58:23.048-05:002011-08-27T10:58:23.048-05:00I altered nothing and neither did Lueders. Lueders...I altered nothing and neither did Lueders. Lueders published an addendum after Journal-Sentinel reporters did some following up. Your goalposts are rapidly disappearing beyond the horizon.illusory tenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524761974822871419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-23233605962336097322011-08-27T10:50:23.186-05:002011-08-27T10:50:23.186-05:00"Specifically, Lueders reported sources alleg..."Specifically, Lueders reported sources alleging Justice Prosser put his hands around Justice Bradley's neck[...]"<br /><br />I notice you've altered the allegation from your June 27 post. Slick.<br /><br />Btw, Bill Lueders did a similar thing with his original June 25 report titled <b>Supreme Court spat got physical</b>. Actually, what Lueders did was even more dishonest - he altered his original post itself.Meadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00117933390338651739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-34147524550851753712011-08-27T09:40:21.582-05:002011-08-27T09:40:21.582-05:00I disagree with Pyrrho, who has been a welcome and...I disagree with Pyrrho, who has been a welcome and thoughtful commenter here for some time, particularly when the subject of Justice Prosser arises. But if you want to keep attacking Lueders for no reason, that's obviously your (meritless) prerogative. The fact of the matter is Lueders reported on an altercation in Justice Bradley's chambers that has been substantially corroborated by the Dane County Sheriff's Office investigation. Specifically, Lueders reported sources alleging Justice Prosser put his hands around Justice Bradley's neck, and none other than Justice Prosser himself copped to doing just that.illusory tenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524761974822871419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-21486815474699615932011-08-27T09:28:16.056-05:002011-08-27T09:28:16.056-05:00illusory tenant said...
"You were saying, Me...illusory tenant said...<br /><br />"You were saying, Meade?"<br /><br />I'd say - scroll up, illusory tenant. You were somewhat schooled by Pyrrho two months ago.Meadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00117933390338651739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-74206797641299334792011-08-27T08:45:56.998-05:002011-08-27T08:45:56.998-05:00Meade is Althouse's squeeze, aina?Meade is Althouse's squeeze, <a href="http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/lifestyle/31844574.html" rel="nofollow">aina</a>?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-34852216596486012612011-08-27T07:45:06.005-05:002011-08-27T07:45:06.005-05:00OP: "Bill Lueders, who broke the story Wiscon...OP: "Bill Lueders, who broke the story Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser allegedly seized a colleague, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley, by the neck with both hands ... "<br /><br />MJS: "Prosser told a detective he remembered 'feeling the warmth on the side of Justice Bradley's neck in his hands.' ... 'What does any self-respecting man do when suddenly that man finds that his hands, or part of his hands are on a woman's neck? Get them off the neck as soon as possible.'"<br /><br />You were saying, Meade?illusory tenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524761974822871419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-3351232375641794262011-08-26T21:06:30.633-05:002011-08-26T21:06:30.633-05:00illusory tenant said...
It's not that Althous...illusory tenant said...<br /><br /><i>It's not that Althouse is wrong to think or type in her typically aimless manner about the circumstances, it's that her own harebrained conclusions are 500 times less plausible than those even implied by Lueders.</i><br /><br />Newsflash: Bill Lueders got tooled. And illusory tenant is - allegedly - his willing bitch.Meadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00117933390338651739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-88841758902674324162011-06-27T20:51:33.268-05:002011-06-27T20:51:33.268-05:00Yep they contacted every member of the court.Yep they contacted every member of the court.illusory tenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524761974822871419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-62219638871813778752011-06-27T18:15:52.361-05:002011-06-27T18:15:52.361-05:00I do recall that in Lueders's original posting...I do recall that in Lueders's original posting that Prosser declined to comment, even after the particulars were read to him.<br /><br />Prosser was not obliged to comment, or even take the call, but gave up a chance to deny the allegation or to frame and define the circumstances, etc.James Rowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10203270946492159686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-28939689526979908392011-06-27T17:53:52.417-05:002011-06-27T17:53:52.417-05:00Lueders did a woefully insufficient job of investi...<i>Lueders did a woefully insufficient job of investigative reporting</i><br /><br />It's certainly open for criticism - some of the j-school gurus on twitter are gunning for him. But this is how the process usually plays out. <br /><br />It would be wonderful if all the fruit would fall before the tree is shaken. There's no way in hell the Prosser perspectivalists would've come forward before Lueder's story. And as it stands now, the only source on the record is confirming the central fact Lueder's intial account: that Prosser's hands were around her neck. <br /><br />What's troubling it that this story went untold for almost three weeks, that apparently the principles in the incident were ok with that, and that apparently the attention is what finally got the law enforcement ball rolling. That would've been unthinkable 15 years ago, when the last embers of a competitive news environment were dying out.gnarlytrombonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2506514005426983269.post-50519863701683073492011-06-27T17:52:18.621-05:002011-06-27T17:52:18.621-05:00I appreciate your comments and you've always s...I appreciate your comments and you've always struck me -- no pun intended -- as uniquely fair minded in this partisan morass. By the way I agree there are likely clerks/assistants among the sources (look: I just created a new job classification by forward slash).illusory tenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524761974822871419noreply@blogger.com